Posts by Jonathan Drake

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Watchtower's response to Royal Commission shows they have learned nothing and will do nothing

by wannaexit in

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i've quickly read through watchtower's submission to the royal commission.

seems like they aren't planning to change policy anytime soon.

they are critical of how the royal commission handled the situation.. the tone is of the submission is shear arrogance.

Jonathan Drake

I just want to encourage everyone in this thread as well to email the Royal comission with any evidence from the Watchtowers own publications that shows any part of their reply to be untrue.

I've sent them an email about why their response regarding shunning is an outright lie, please anyone who is willing do likewise on any point you choose to address their lies. Include citations to their publications as to why it's a lie. The email I've used to communicate with the ARC is:

contact@childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au

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Watchtower's response to Royal Commission shows they have learned nothing and will do nothing

by wannaexit in

jw
friends

i've quickly read through watchtower's submission to the royal commission.

seems like they aren't planning to change policy anytime soon.

they are critical of how the royal commission handled the situation.. the tone is of the submission is shear arrogance.

Jonathan Drake

I don't think the RC should get into biblical interpretation. Are they going to question the beliefs of the Catholic Church for instance? If not then the WTS could claim they have been treated differently and thus unfairly

I will add that I 100% agree with Simon here. By going into scripture like this the ARC has given them a way out. Just like debating with any believer, they will (and they did) come back with, "your interpretation is wrong mine is right." The ARC can't just say, "no YOURE wrong," because this is a theological battle now. In the current world climate regarding religious beliefs nobody gets to say who is right or wrong.

The only hope that will allow these particular findings to stand is that the ARC could easily clarify their findings to explain their meaning as, "not only is there no reasonable way to conclude shunning is scriptural but it is a violation of human rights and a cruelty and cannot continue." This I think was their intention, but I think it should have been done without bringing scripture into it.

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Watchtower's response to Royal Commission shows they have learned nothing and will do nothing

by wannaexit in

jw
friends

i've quickly read through watchtower's submission to the royal commission.

seems like they aren't planning to change policy anytime soon.

they are critical of how the royal commission handled the situation.. the tone is of the submission is shear arrogance.

Jonathan Drake

9.304 The suggested finding wrongly assumes a broad obligation upon Jehovah’s Witnesses “to protect children in the community” but fails to identify how such an obligation exis

I couldn't be more pleased that Watchtower said this. I cannot wait for the RC to lambast them for it and I am posting it to Facebook right now.

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Australian Royal Commission Findings released

by Mephis in

will just post the general findings by counsel for the commission (angus stewart) - case specific ones are prior to them.

in short, absolutely damning.. not been through every submission myself yet.

available for download here: http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/case-study/636f01a5-50db-4b59-a35e-a24ae07fb0ad/case-study-29,-july-2015,-sydney.aspx.

Jonathan Drake

My immediate thought:

according to their findings, Geoffrey Jackson lied under oath and maliciously tried to misdirect the comission. As i understand, there are steep penalties for this; will they seek a variable of penalty for this infraction?

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Could trends and group think be evidence of a form of telepathy?

by EndofMysteries in

i was thinking the other day about trends.

think back over the decades and how generally the majority of people will feel or like or dislike the same things.

people comment how awful and ugly things that trended in the past were.

Jonathan Drake

Read, "The Tipping Point" by Malcolme Gladwell.

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If the elders were abused sexually this problem would have been taken care of long time ago.

by Still Totally ADD in

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i feel the real problem with the wt cult concerning child abuse is it happens to children not adult men.

notice i didn't say adult women because they don't care about adult women either.

i remember a c.o.

Jonathan Drake

This is all wrong.

First of all, suggesting it'd be better if someone was sexually abused is disgusting.

secondly, statistics have shown for years that a person who is sexually abused is more likely to be come a sexual predator. I have read that in many places.

boo on this topic for so many reasons.

edited to add: yes I did read the op, being a victim doesn't change what I stated. Tho I do wish that hasn't happened to you. Thought I should add this because my post seemed cold hearted.

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It is possible two new governing body members this year

by rege brazzy in

last three years that mark sanderson was apointed(announced)september 1,2012.

Jonathan Drake

After the way Jackson used the scripture in acts that states "appoint for yourselves SEVEN reputable men" in the RC hearing, I think the plan is to keep it at 7.

After all all if there is one thing the organization is good at, it's using numbers as magic.

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Homo sapiens is also missing (let alone the missing links in between)

by iconoclastic in

the word sapiens (from latin, meaning wise) when applied to humans as final evolute, it is understood that humans manifest wisdom in their day-to-day living.

one of the features of being wise (which means having/showing experience, knowledge, and good judgment) is about replacing wastages with something better.

is this being done with regard to many of the greater aspects of our lives?.

Jonathan Drake

Read any book other than the bible, and all of this pseudo wisdom bullshit will blow away along with all the pages of genesis in a tempest wind of reason.

How's that for a metaphor? Or is that an analogy? Hmm

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A small update on the ongoing investigation by the Royal Commission

by umbertoecho in

i think you people would like to know that since the public hearing has finished.

there has been ongoing contact made to me by the staff at the rc.

they have been inundated with calls and the same experiences or similar ones are being related.. the staff are not backwards in coming forwards with insights that they have shared.

Jonathan Drake

The RC sees WT for what it is now... a pathetic excuse of a Christian religion.

I think JWs are a perfect example of a Christian religion.

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Will Criminal Investigation And Prosecution Of The Governing Body Ever Happen Because Of The Policies They Made?

by Brokeback Watchtower in

so far in more recent times they have only been called to take the witness stand in court twice to my knowledge one was a no show in defiance to a court order in which he gave a sworn false statement to the courts claiming austrian citizenship.

and the other jackson who gave a terrible witness to the court full of lies and misleading statements.

all this shows how damaging their testimony is when brought before authorities who demand answers for their behavor and policies.. i personal hope for that day to come and have a gut feeling that we will be seeing a lot more of these guys called to court to explain their actions and impose big settlements over their not living up to their fiduciary duty toward children who have been molested by ministers(elders,ms, co, branch personal) they have appointed.

Jonathan Drake

The Org didn't just require all the Australian Branch's money to be sent to the US for no reason, after all.

When did this happen, is there a letter someplace?